Thursday, May 15, 2008

UC Berkley Going to Court over Evolution Website

Okay, so this "law office" Pacific Justice Institute is taking the University of California in Berkley to court because it says that their website explaining evolution and battling misconceptions about evolution unfairly promotes one religion over another. Here is the offending text.

Religion and science (evolution) are very different things. In science, only natural causes are used to explain natural phenomena, while religion deals with beliefs that are beyond the natural world.

The misconception that one always has to choose between science and religion is incorrect. Of course, some religious beliefs explicitly contradict science (e.g., the belief that the world and all life on it was created in six literal days); however, most religious groups have no conflict with the theory of evolution or other scientific findings. In fact, many religious people, including theologians, feel that a deeper understanding of nature actually enriches their faith. Moreover, in the scientific community there are thousands of scientists who are devoutly religious and also accept evolution.

Apparently, pointing out that religious idiots who believe in literal six day creation will necessarily be at odds with evolution is favoring one religion over the other. The biggest question here is, which religion are they favoring over others? After all, the people they are describing are both sects of the same faith, christianity! How can you be favoring christianity over christianity?

Once again, the religious right wing nutz have shown themselves incapable of intelligent thought! Had they been able to do so, they could easily see that no religion is named, in fact, only one belief on some unnamed religion is even shown. They are making the point that religion and science can play nice. But thank you psychotic and idiotic right wing nutz for once again proving them wrong! Religion can't play nice with science because people who believe the bible literally are psychologically unable to understand rationale thinking or participate in true intelligent discussion over an issue!

Point taken PJI, UC should change it to say in it incompatible with religion at all because evolution works with facts (yes facts in case any of you dull witted christians want to try and say its faith!) and religion works on faith alone! When you can stand toe to toe with evidence then maybe I will listen to you. But as it is, the vast majority of right wing nut sycophants do not even understand what a theory is let alone evolution! If you start off with "evolution is just a theory" then you have ZERO concept of what a scientific theory actually means. If you start off saying a theory is just a guess, then you haven't opened your junior high text book and your comments mean nothing.

And as shown by this ridiculous law suit, your ilk can't even get the law right!


C. David Parsons said...

Once again, the religious right wing nutz have shown themselves incapable of intelligent thought!


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konquererz said...

Please, you lack understanding in this area. Darwinism is not the same as evolution. Evolution is an all encompassing theory that states that more complex things evolved from lesser complex things, and it is applied to everything. Darwinism refers to the process by with living organisms evolved, the process of natural selection. In reality, there are two or three theories on that, all with good data to suggest that each of them have their own place in the theory of evolution.

There is no marriage between biblical "phenomena" because there is no phenomena. What you fail to grasp is that archaeologically, of all the nations we know to have existed in ancient times, Israel is the only one that cannot be found in the archaeological records. Tiny villages from ancient Samaria, yes, giant nation of Israel? No.

But your idea of bringing the "triune god" into science is disturbing. You ARE the case that ID is not science, it is religion, and as thus should stay out of science. Biblically speaking, the earth must be like a coin, flat, held up by two pillars, with the "firmament" made of a metallic like substance that can be pounded out, and windows that can open to allow the water for rain to go through. As well, thunder is gods foot steps. But thats not the case, and the bible is a fairy tale full of things factually inaccurate by virtue of evidence.

konquererz said...

Oh yes, and if you really read something of Darwin's history, you would know that he held off publishing his book for DECADES because he feared the possible implications it would have. Darwin wasn't a rabid atheist trying to kill god. It was a long drawn out process in which evidence eventually led the way, as it should with all of us.